ex-l wrote:I respect you personally more than either her, or her multifold sycophants, for having courage to come on here to meet us and address these matters. I'd also like to point out that she herself is responsible for instituting a system that declines others the oppportunity to study the Murli and, indeed, has been responsible for very senior BK leaving the BKWSU due to the manner in which the Murlis are taught. May be she, and they, are "insecure" because she has been going along with lies or so many years? May be I am wrong and Janki is only a nickname ...
And thank you for doing all this work and raising these issues ex-l. I am a private individual. I am not a member of the hierarchy. And I am learning a lot through posting here about what is important to me. So thank you for being here. Don't bother trying to be polite if you do not want to either. :wink: do not get me wrong; I am NOT trying to defend DJ..
1. Do we know she is one of the top 8 souls? Are the 8 fixed? All we have is what she says Brahma Baba said to her once ... and she definitly wasn't one of the original 8 on the list if we want to go by the record. (I will definitely post that list tonight, I've had some technical problems with my home connection).
2. Shes not been "all of a sudden transfigured" by this ****. She has had it all her life. Shes allowed herself to be an instrument to a certain level but she hasnt let go of her controlling mechanisms. She is not a totally spiritual person. And I am sure that the negative way she has treated many souls, including souls I know personally, is only increasing her negativity.
3. Is it the fault of Raja Yoga/Shiv Baba or anyone else if she chooses to hang onto her ****? If you surgically remove someone's body-concious prop, they will collapse. Don't forget, all those who choose to worship her and support her body-conscious systems are also getting something out of it (i.e. they don't have to take responsibility for their own ****). So the rubbish of everyone in the Yagya has been holding up this teetering edifice, but sooner or later its going to come down. Time has nothing to do with it. I've only just realised some major rubbish I was hanging onto after 12 years. If someone has an emotional investment at hanging onto their ****, even God himself cant prise their monkey fingers off of it ...
4. So, what is this "most stable mind in the world" thing? Someone stuck some electrodes in her when she was in deep Yoga. Big deal. I know the BKs make a big deal out of it but it obviously is not a reality. I know of several recent occasions where she's flown into irrational rages and Jayanti Bhens had to apologise for her.
5. What hope for the rest of us? Well for me, Shiv Baba/God hasn't gone anywhere just because one of his adminstrators is acting badly. Brahma Baba I am occassionally ****** off with for continuing to support her, but God is meant to be take responsability for his screw ups too. Personally, my experience has made me a stronger person. I don't belong to Dada Janki. I belong to Baba. I wonder if she'd been all sweetness and light how much I would have remembered Baba, and how much I would focused my attention on her. I am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater because the human souls running the joint are not perfect. However much they pretend to be.
With relevance to your research, I hope that you get to the bottom of this. Would there be surviving birth certification records in Karachi?