# Flaw No. 624)ShivBaba is famous WITHOUT body:-
arjun wrote: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=55634&hilit=c ... cf7#p55634
In eigth para -
So, it was said for that form. What? It was made distant because that Baba comes and teaches Rajyog
. And He Himself comes and narrates to us. Who? That Baba. Baba means the combination of corporeal and incorporeal
. Later those people made this Gita on the path of Bhakti. Hm? It wasn’t made on the path of knowledge. What?...
711)According to PBKs, Baba means there should be feeling/consciousness of body/Chariot too (= the corporeal should never be forgotten).
712)If we see the dictionary, word BABA means Father or GRAND Father. It is also used to respect saints. So, ShivBaba means - Father Shiv or grandfather Shiv - both address Shiv only.
[ https://shabdkosh.raftaar.in/Meaning-of ... #gsc.tab=0
Only thing is- there is MORE feeling/awareness in word BABA than BAAP(Father).
So- I think, we can say- Baba means When
--Shiv enters in a body or
--Shiv in corporeal world, or
--Shiv during Confluence Age or
---Shiv giving knowledge, or
---in other words, when a soul becomes aware/conscious of its Father and FEELS/EXPEREINCES.
713)But, Mr. Dixit misinterpreted word BABA and played role of Hiranya_kashyap
by placing himself in the seat Baba. Hence PBK theory claims ShivBaba means "Shiv Plus body(Chariot)" instead of "Shiv in Chariot" or FEELING of Shiv".
This diluted the whole purpose of Shiv's incarnation,
and the real goal which was to feel the incorporeal/spiritual Father, changed/reduced into the feeling to corporeal(body of Mr. Dixit) only.
714)So, by default itself, spiritual wings(both knowledge and intellect) of PBKs got cut, resulting in- impure/mortal body/Chariot taking higher place than the incorporeal/immortal being.
PBKs may say we give equal importance to soul and body. But in fact, when a person puts effort to fly (experience soul or supreme consciousness)and at the same time, also puts effort to have contact with ground, his resulting stage will be GROUND/BODY level only, is it not.
So, PBK theory saying- effort should be made to think body also with the soul results in similar state.
715)Even though lots of Murli points clearly say- Shiv = ShivBaba = point= incorporeal, the so-called Gyani tu atma PBKs ignore them just due to Dixit's words.
But, the following Murli point specifically says- ShivBABA
is famous without body.
SM 10-3-82(1):- Atma jab sharir may pravesh karti hai to andar churpur hoti hai. Maaloom padtaa hai andar atma ne pravesh kiyaa hai, bachche ke organs chalney lage. Yah baatein achchi reeti samajhni hai aur jo bhi manushy vah koyi aisey nahin kahte hain ki hum atma tumko samjhaate hain. VAH PRASIDDH HAIN SHARIR SE. YAH ShivBaba BIGAR SHARIR PRASIDDH HAI.
Vichitr hai na.Unko apnaa sharir nahin hai. SHARIRDHAARI KO KAB BHAGAVAAN NAHIN KAHNAA CHAAHIYE. STHOOL VA SOOKSHM KOYI BHI HO. Atma in organs se Yaad karti hai Parampita Parmatma ko. -76- [ShivBaba, BVS, WOT]
=... They/rest are famous through body. (But), this ShivBaba is famous WITHOUT body.
He is vichitr, is it not. He has no body. Bodily personalities can never be called as Bhagavaan, either physical or subtle.....In temples, Shivling is kept as well as small saligrams. From this it becomes clear that we all are souls who belong to one Supreme Soul....
Hence the way PBKs relating word BABA to body/corporeal goes wrong.
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote:Baba comes and teaches Rajyog
Mr. Dixit himself says- "Baba comes and teaches Rajyog". If Baba means including/having corporeal body, how can the statement Baba comes fit? Let us hope the so-called Gyani tu atmas undersrtand at least the word/logical meaning of what they themselves say/write.
717) So- Baba can be said for both - incorporeal/spiritual, as well as - corporeal (alowkik or lowkik).